Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

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Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

Unread post by phil_h » Wed Jun 03, 2015 8:57 pm

Help please !
I've decided its time the 'bargain' rickman frame was sorted out. The project totally stalled when I realised that the 6T unit engine was never meant to fit the frame mounts... and especially not with the dreadfully-tacked-on chrome tube below the original front mounts. Attempts to get info out of Gerry whatsits lot yielded a resounding 'not interested'.
I'm inclined to fit what it was originally designed for...
So - anyone know if the 'rickman story' book has any useful details ?
Its was registered in Nov '68 as a Triumph 500, with frame #R316
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Re: Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

Unread post by Zunspec » Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:29 pm

Hello Phil,

Can you not make engine plates to suit your 6T engine/gear box. I would speculate this was probably how it was done originally. If you want some proper professional advice I can recommend Alf of Alf Mossell Racing who made modifications to the swinging arm of my Seeley replica frame to accommodate the use of a bigger rear tyre. ( http://www.alfmossellracing.co.uk/index.php ). He can adapt/move/make new engine mounts (or plates) to suit the 6T engine I am sure. He has a wealth of experience in frame fabrication ( ex Harris Performance engineer) and is a nice to deal with as well.

Cheers Geoff

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Re: Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

Unread post by DAVE M2 » Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:28 pm

http://www.rickman-motorcycles.com/parts-and-prices.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

wouldn't Rickman be a better bet?
AFAIk "Metisse" only make the frames for the 650 bike stat they import from the USA and the frames for the bloke from the Motorcycle Show that he builds overpriced bobbers with.

afaik per units are longer than units?

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Re: Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

Unread post by phil_h » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:11 pm

Hi Geoff
I sold the 6T some time ago, after offering it up and seeing the huuuuge gap between the swinging arm and the engine sprocket !
The frame is definitely designed for a pre-unit engine, and I really don't want a long chain run.
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Re: Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

Unread post by phil_h » Fri Jun 05, 2015 1:15 pm

DAVE M2 wrote:http://www.rickman-motorcycles.com/parts-and-prices.php

wouldn't Rickman be a better bet?
AFAIk "Metisse" only make the frames for the 650 bike stat they import from the USA and the frames for the bloke from the Motorcycle Show that he builds overpriced bobbers with.

afaik per units are longer than units?
Thanks Dave
I was under the impression that the Rickman bros. records were associated with the Metisse lot, and the 2 lots really didn't speak !
I've sent an email to Rickman, on the grounds of 'if you don't ask...'
Fingers crossed !
phil

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Re: Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

Unread post by Zunspec » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:45 pm

Hello phil,

Distance between front sprocket and swinging arm pivot is also a factor on my Seeley frame so I can appreciate where you are coming from. I have a nylon chain slider which was originally for a Motor-X bike mounted around the forward part of the arm to ensure no metal-to-metal contact. Slot in a pre-unit lump and g/box and you have a cracking bike :D .

Cheers Geoff

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Re: Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

Unread post by phil_h » Mon Jun 08, 2015 3:49 pm

DAVE M2 wrote:http://www.rickman-motorcycles.com/parts-and-prices.php
wouldn't Rickman be a better bet?
AFAIk "Metisse" only make the frames for the 650 bike stat they import from the USA and the frames for the bloke from the Motorcycle Show that he builds overpriced bobbers with.
Hoorah !
A result from the nice people at Rickman Motorcycles !
"As far as I can see in the old Rickman records this frame is a road race that was built in Sept 1968 and housed a T100A SM and sold to a Tom Kirby."
Unfortunately, the T100 is a unit engine, so it would leave a big gap in that frame. (Not that I know the T100 engine dimensions)

I know Tom Kirby was a race sponsor, but all I can find is this:
http://forums.autosport.com/topic/91269 ... a/page-175
which shows a rickman metises frame with the same front brake I have !

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Re: Rickman Metisse CR - engine mounts ???

Unread post by Zunspec » Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:56 pm

Hello phil,

It may be worthwhile to ask the same questions on the Classic Motorcycle Racing Forum ( http://www.cmrf.co.uk/smf/index.php ). Quite a few there who were racing back in those days and they have wealth of knowledge and could possibly help out. Sounds like you may have a chassis with a bit of history so it would interesting to see what you could find out.

Cheers Geoff

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