Help ID 1900's frame.

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jonny the goat
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Help ID 1900's frame.

Unread post by jonny the goat » Thu Jun 14, 2018 11:23 am

Hi, got this frame yesterday. Last owner remembers it being in family from at least 50's and he is now mid 80's. Around 20 years ago he looked through library books and thinks he id it as a Werner ? I must admit being such a old bike I had never come across it. Anyway he never had benefit of Internet so just went with that. I looked up a Werner but I am not 100% it is. It looks to have a few slight differences to me. I did find a few other very early bikes it could be like maybe a Peugeot? . Any ideas ? The main cross bar is 1.25" tube and it is quite long at 27" between fittings. It has a 7" space down to lower cross bar and I would think the max dimension of wheel and tyre would be around 27.5". Has belt drive built in kinks in rear left side. Has a number stamped a bit faint in saddle post fitting that looks like 15491. It has been painted with red led but was black under, maybe someone could possibly remove with care if wanted it original. Still looks and feels in very good order for age.
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DIC
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Re: Help ID 1900's frame.

Unread post by DIC » Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:34 pm

Nobody else has offered assistance so...
Do you live in the south east? If so, perhaps your best bet is to get to the Pioneer Run (next Sunday March 24) on Brighton sea front and have a good look at what's there. You need to find the engine with the same lug dimensions.
Restoration to get a Sunbeam Club Pioneer Certificate might not be possible because they have rules against total rebuilds. But even so, veteran engines turn up at auction - Bonhams have a couple at this October's Stafford auction - and the cycle parts are most just that - old fashioned cycle parts. Westwood rims, 28x2" tyres, roller lever brakes (think Dutch Bicycle), belt drive rim to fit the wheel (that will be a problem) etc. Direct drive (no gearbox - that makes it a bit hard to ride in modern traffic, and pretty hopeless on hills...). If the DVLA will allow it as a 'reconstruction' it would be a fun project. The other difficult part would be carburretor - a carb from 1905 or thereabouts will be difficult to find. Total loss ignition (gel mat battery, modern coil). Contact breaker you should be able to find from the De Dion veteran car club.

Otherwise you might as well try and sell it on via Sunbeam Club or similar.

jonny the goat
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Re: Help ID 1900's frame.

Unread post by jonny the goat » Tue Oct 09, 2018 2:00 pm

Hi, Thanks for the advice though have now had the ID made by a different site. It turns out it was a Alcion Videl ( or something like that name ) French 1903. It has now sold for a sum in the thousands to a French collector and I have used the money to buy a 1953 350 Matchless.
Kind Regards, Jon

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